the white house is counting on it working in the case of chuck hagel. the white house has been calling out republicans on this filibuster and you just hadden john mcsay a few minutes ago that we're going to get to a 51-vote sequester. the white house has had success so far -- but the signs are positive that hagel ultimately will be concerned, the question is how long and is there any possibility that hagel in the meechbt decides to step out and take himself out of the consideration, at least that's not what the white house wants. >> big picture here, though, john, our first read team says this is a reminder for all future legislative fights and nomination battles. we'll see over the next four years, let's stop pretending this will change any time soon. meaning this particular strategy is something we will see perhaps in fights over universal's background checks for guns. even the prek for all children as all legislation as we move forward with this congress and this president as a dynamic could end up like we're seeing now. >> that's correct, tamron, bu